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Just Name The Antho "Misogyny Bound"

So I was surfing through Ralan's a couple of days ago as is my weekly habit to see what new and exciting markets have opened up that will ultimately make me rich and famous.  I came across an antho market called King Paul Crushes Your Face and You Like It.  It was intriguing, sure.  I popped into the submission guidelines which begin: 

"We here at Generic Publishing want you to dig deep and access you inner manly man, that beast within that screws, plunders and lays waste to all that approach it, to tell tales of the glory and awesome might that is King Paul, rife with sex, violence, debauchery, depravity and big heaping buckets of gore. Picture a Chuck Norris/Maddox/Tucker Max hybrid being punched in the face by Conan to a soundtrack of W.A.S.P., killwhitneydead and Manowar, then listen to the King Paul songs on
Carinemily.com (all submissions MUST match the mythology of these songs to be considered)."

Huh, I thought.  It sounded violent, but maybe it didn't mean what it sounded like it meant (optimistic of me, I know).  I popped into the link listed to see what the mythology of the songs was.  King Paul is apparently a musical group of some sort.  I don't know how much of song lyrics I'm legally allowed to copy and paste here, so I won't, but you can let your imagination soar with song titles such as:

King Paul Bangs Carin Behind Emily's Back
Absolute Authority Over Andrea
Missy Mangled
The End of Emily

Really?  We need an openly misogynistic anthology like we need a hole in the head.  And not lightly misogynistic...I'm talking serious life-ending and brutalizing stuff.  Just hit the song lyrics links to take a gander at this garbage.

At first, I thought it must be a joke of some sick sort.  You can however, if you'd like to contaminate your brain with such crap, actually listen to the song lyrics here.  Aside from the music sucking wind, and yes, that's a personal opinion and subject to debate among music lovers, the lyrics are indeed what the text of the website says they are.

I was a print journalism major in college, so obviously the First Amendment is very dear to me.  I do support Generic Publishing's right to publish whatever they want.  I don't have to like it for me to believe that they can like it.  They're going to like it all they want without my permission anyway.  I am however allowed to have an opinion on what they publish.

Who would submit to such a market?  And on top of that, I can't believe any sff writer with serious aspirations of going pro would submit to it, under their real name or not, and thereby supporting it.  I'm also surprised someone else hasn't seen the listing and made a fuss about it yet, but it's still a new market.

I'm a fairly easy-going gal.  I try to take the attitude of "live and let live as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else," but this mythology hurts people and not just women.

I normally wouldn't post anything so openly controversial or with such a scornful tone because I like everyone to get along here.  But I am offended that this type of market is available in our little community and that it may be taken seriously by some.  As if women (and men, too) don't already have enough problems making it in this world.

I certainly don't mean to give the market publicity.  I've always heard that bad publicity is better than no publicity, so maybe the best move is to just ignore it.  That however is what causes so many problems in abuse situations, ignoring it.  I wouldn't ignore it if I knew a friend or relative was being physically abused.  Still, talking about abusing someone isn't the same as abusing someone.  But really?  Does the world need an anthology advertising for it?  Certainly not.


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Jun. 8th, 2011 01:20 pm (UTC)
100% agree with you.
Jun. 8th, 2011 06:57 pm (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. I'll be following this one to see how it goes.
carin emily
Jun. 12th, 2011 04:55 am (UTC)
King Paul
Hi! As the subject of many of the songs (Carin), and a close friend of the singer, I wanted to let you know that, yes indeed, the songs are not only a joke, but a satire on what is considered a "real man" in our society and how "real men" and women are pressured to interact. These expectations may not often be bluntly expressed, but they are certainly there, despite the lip-service paid to equality.

The author of the songs is not at all misogynistic and is a quite supportive and wonderful friend. If I thought his lyrics were serious and not an over-the-top caricature of how ludicrous machismo is, there is absolutely no way I would associate myself with them, much less host the songs on my site.

I do understand that the lyrics are *quite* over the top but frankly, I'm surprised to see them taken seriously. It's a sad commentary on our society that they *can* be taken seriously.

Of course you are free to have your opinion, and I don't begrudge you that at all, but I wanted to put in my 2¢ and explain a bit of the intention behind the music/anthology.
Anton Cancre
Jun. 12th, 2011 05:59 am (UTC)
rebuttal from the editor
As the editor of the anthology in question as well as the person who requested permission from the fine and quite honorable Mr. Hermes to use his creation, I find it necessary to defend this anthology. Even if I am defending it from someone who obviously misses the point. Before going much further, I will point out that, in the submission guidelines, i specifically state that the goal is to take "the theme of masculinity taken to cartoonish extremes". That should make it clear that this is not to be taken seriously. Further, as anyone who has ever listened to any of the bands listed (Manowar, Killwhitneydead or W.A.S.P.) must inherently know, the mere mention of them makes it an exercise in cheese. The goal, much like operating within the bounds of splatterpunk or hardcore, is to take things to such an extreme that they become a caricature of themselves.

In other words, as Carin already pointed out, the point is to make fun of misogynists in much the same way as Laibach used the anthems and symbols of facism taken to absurd levels of adoration to poke fun at facists. But I do thank you for the extra word of mouth.
Anton Cancre
Jun. 12th, 2011 06:06 am (UTC)
forgot to mention
The Tucker Max/Maddox/Chuck Norris mention should have been a dead giveaway as well. I'm concerned that you may believe Maddox to be an actual pirate who is in favor of child abuse.
Michele Treadway
Jun. 13th, 2011 06:34 pm (UTC)
Carin and Anton pretty much summed up my thoughts about all that you have written. You are entitled to your opinion as are we. The artist responsible for the songs listed is a good friend of mine. In a society that is filled with so much bull crap, is it not alright to have a few laughs?

I'm thrilled with the result of King Paul....

By the way, I am Missy Mangled.
Jun. 24th, 2011 06:17 pm (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in a response comment. I didn't check the post for comments after a couple of days, and I just found your comments.

First, I appreciate the time you guys took to respond. I found the tone of your comments thoughtful and respectful of my space.

I am heartened to hear that your intent in publishing your works isn't meant to be serious. But really, without knowing any of you or being associated with your field of music, how would the outsider know? This antho listing is on an SFF market board and most of the writers I know wouldn't have any idea who you guys are.

Yes, I noticed the reference to Chuck Norris and cartoonish extremes, but still, since I don't find the subject anything to joke about, it comes off to me as taking the subject lightly and in extremely bad taste even if parody or satire is the case (and IMO still doesn't make it okay). I'm pretty sure the survivors of abuse don't find it funny at all. I realize that they and their supporters aren't your desired demographic, but I do find the lack of compassion relayed in the works shockingly absent. Perception is a personal thing, I suppose.

Anyhoo, even though I missed the point, I'm glad to hear there is a point, as misguided as I feel it may be. Thanks for dropping by to defend it.
carin emily
Jul. 5th, 2011 06:50 pm (UTC)
Hi Linda,

Thank you for your reply, which was also respectful. I do see your point of view. I don't think we'll come to agreement on our views of the music/anthology, and that's fine. I agree that perception is a personal thing, but I did want to add a bit about survivors and their supporters.

Recovery and dealing with the aftermath of abuse is as much of a personal thing as perception, and is dealt with in many different ways by different people. I myself am a survivor of horrific abuse, and ridiculing "macho" men is one way I deal with that. I know it doesn't work that way for every abuse survivor, but I feel a lot better when, instead of cowering in fear, I laugh at their pathetic self-aggrandizing.

Anyway, I just wanted to explain that bit, and I wish you the best!
Anton Cancre
Jul. 12th, 2011 01:07 am (UTC)
I like that this discussion has occurred and thank you for it, Linda. I've been able to field several people over this way, since it answers many of their questions. I'll also mention that I'd really like to see your approach to this mythos. Not only am I okay with people writing against type, but I particularly hope for it. remember that there are other characters like Carin (who I imagine to be as much the image of powerful femininity as Paul is to masculinity-notice that he never talks smack to her face) or Emily (supremely self-confident in her sexuality to the point that the manliest of men cannot resist her) and Junior (who may not even want to be the supreme fascist dictator of the world).

Just something to think about.
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